Hmm, I wonder…

They’ve found human remains in a car at a reservoir in Katonah, New York. They’re not saying much about it yet, but they did say the car is “connected to an old missing persons case that is still open.”

There’s only one missing persons case out of Katonah on the Charley Project: the 1977 disappearance of Leslie Anne Guthrie and her two children, six-year-old Julie Anne Guthrie and three-year-old Timothy Patrick Guthrie Jr.

Leslie’s car disappeared with them and has never been found.

20 thoughts on “Hmm, I wonder…

  1. Daniel January 21, 2021 / 3:20 pm

    The car pictured in the news photo is not a Ford Maverick.

    • Rowan January 21, 2021 / 3:22 pm

      Yeah, I noticed that too. I wonder if there’s any disappearances in the surrounding area where the car went missing too. (Although a car could be from anywhere I suppose!)

  2. Alice January 21, 2021 / 4:09 pm

    I suspected that the Guthries might have drowned, but if this is connected to a later case then it’s simply creepy that this happened close to where they vanished.

  3. Patrick Kerrigan January 21, 2021 / 4:52 pm

    I agree. Earlier today, I searched Missing Persons. I came across two interesting articles. The first one was titled “In these Ststes Missing Person Cases are Piling Up” by Karen Bennett, dated June 11, 2018. It basically identifies the top 15 states with large number of missing persons. Alaska was #1

    The second article was in Outside magazine, dated March 13, 2017 by Jon Billman. The title is Search and Rescue, “How 1,600 People Went Missing from Our Public Lands Without a Trace”.

    It covers basically one case, but has some interesting comments about the problem of people disappearing in the national parks.

    One idea, I had was to require those hiking in most of these parks to check in with park authorities, and please a Emergency Device that they can activated in an emergency.

    Many vessels have a Emergency alert beacon. If it us activated the signal is picked up by a satellite. Then the appropriate agency is notified, such as the USAF, or if it is maritime related the USCG. This beacon even activates if the vessel rolls over.

    So, if a hiker runs into a emergency, they can activate the beacon. This gives the rescue people a quicker alert, and a location to start searching.

    • Meaghan January 21, 2021 / 5:18 pm

      I’ve read books about disappearances and deaths in individual national parks and a lot of the time they can be put down to carelessness or outright stupidity: willfully violating the park rules, not following basic safety precautions like letting someone know exactly what route you’re taking and when you expect to be returning, etc.

      In Yellowstone they’ve got a missing persons case that dates back to the 19-teens. A guy left his lodge after dark and never returned. What probably happened is he stumbled into a hot spring and was boiled to death. Absolutely awful to think about. Now the hot springs are fenced off, but that doesn’t stop people climbing the fences and having ghastly accidents.

    • doc January 23, 2021 / 11:23 pm

      Taking a single step in the wrong direction while hiking is the beginning of the end in far too many cases. So few steps and such little time is needed to lose the point of return, forever, that it’s no wonder so many are lost in places like Yosemite and the others.

      It’s dirt cheap, now, to carry a tiny GPS device with a safe coordinate entered into it for back-tracking in an emergency. Set it for your campground, for instance, or a lodge or whatever, and that’s that. No excuses not to have one while in the wilderness.

  4. Patrick Kerrigan January 21, 2021 / 7:09 pm

    I was thinking of several missing person Cases in New York., where the vehicle was never found. One involved a nurse that disappeared after leaving work one night.

    Another involved a guy, who disappeared driving somewhere. Both of these incidents took place in rural areas.

  5. Patrick Kerrigan January 21, 2021 / 9:17 pm

    It appears the vehicle maybe connected to the disappearance of Brenda Kerber, 40. She was reported missing sometime in 1989. She was last seen in White Plains, NY.

    It appears, from two diaries that she was hooked on a Frederick P. Lenz III, a sort of cult leader. He had some version of American Buddhism. He charged $1,000 apiece for his lectures.

    Sounds like a nice gig, to make money. It appears he urged some of his followers to move to Westchester County, since IBM was headquartered there.

    He did not work for them. It seems some of his followers were involved in computers.

  6. Patrick Kerrigan January 21, 2021 / 9:29 pm

    I found that her parents wrote a sort of bio, on Brenda. It talks about schooling, marriages, and then shifts into following a Tony Chester. She moved from Oregon, to the Bay Area.

    Then he became a recruiter for the Lenz character. Then she moved to Nrw York, and her personality change. Her parents did not mince words. It is interesting reading, leading up to her disappearance.

  7. Christie M Groves January 22, 2021 / 11:47 pm

    I remember them, I hope it’s them? We have a case a mother and her two daughters who went missing in their car here in Seattle, WA. well they live across the sound a short ferries ride away. I believe it was Bainbridge or one of our Islands west of me, about 45 minutes.

  8. Amanda January 23, 2021 / 12:25 am

    Hello! In Benjamin Rapoza’s case ( https://charleyproject.org/case/benjamin-rapoza ), I’ve found a small error: the date of his disappearance is listed as December 20, 2020 instead of December 20, 2019. I appreciate all the work you’ve put into this site. 💚

  9. paula January 24, 2021 / 10:39 am

    I live in Katonah, very close to where the car was pulled out. I immediately thought of the Guthrie’s (mother and her 2 children missing since late 1970’s) however law enforcement seems confident the remains are from another case of a missing person from White Plains, NY. I have often wondered if the Guthries went into a body of water; there are so many in the area.

    Either way I hope some family gets closure in this. Thanks for all you do, Meaghan.

    • jbs January 25, 2021 / 3:03 pm

      It’s great to know these Does have finally regained their identities. Hopefully the advances in testing DNA and genealogy will mean many more Does will be named and murderers unmasked. I think DB Cooper left behind DNA and maybe the Zodiac Killer too. It’d be great if they were identified and their mysteries solved.

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