I’m checking out discussion of Charley Project cases on Reddit and now I’m curious: what cases on the Charley Project scream “suicide” to you guys, that do not explicitly mention that as a possibility?
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Whenever someone disappeared and took a gun I always think suicide. And, of course, when I see the word ‘depressed’ and if I see the two together, it screams suicide. But you’ve probably mentioned it in your case at that point. Also, when they go missing in San Francisco and were last spotted on or near the bridge.
I totally agree with your last sentence Becky.
I think Farren Stanberry likely committed suicide but there are other possible scenarios too. I was sure we had found (as in id’d, not physically found) his remains in a building that was adjacent to the hotel where he was staying. The LE in Oregon thought it was a match also but the San Francisco ME said no.
Anyone who abandoned their car or bicycle on a bridge. That’s not always the case, but my knee jerk reaction is suicide when I read that.
Two that immediately come to mind are Christopher Kerze and Bryce Laspisa. I really hope I am wrong and someday they will reappear alive and well, but I am doubtful.
I go with all of the above. If the circumstances indicate suicide, they probably are. Look, we all know those one percent cases that came back (not the same method) and that is great. But I do suspect that those who go off in the woods with a gun or park their car on a bridge, etc. mean to do something to themselves. Isn’t there one guy on here who handed his brother in law or something a map to his own dug grave? I’d guess most cases actually do end in suicide death, with the small exception of faked deaths. I only wish closure for the living, and no judgment on the dead.
I went back and pulled this article….I may have posted it before, if so, sorry, if not, it is at least worth a read….
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4412396/Golden-Gate-Bridge-steel-suicide-prevention-nets.html#comments
Too little, too late.
Curious as to what you think. I’ve always wondered what happens if you change your mind on the way down. Some of the comments speculate if someone should hit the net, couldn’t they still go off? Or for those who might change their mind, would it help? I feel nothing but sympathy for those souls. You really have to be miserable to jump off a bridge.
Someone very determined to commit suicide from the GG Bridge could still do so by crawling off the steel net after initially jumping over the railing. But such a person would almost certainly sustain injuries upon hitting the net. This would make suicide more difficult and more complicated. The prospect of such complications is likely enough to dissuade all but the most resolute and committed persons from leaping.
The main allure of the GG Bridge to suicidal people is that it seems to offer a clean, simple, romantic means of ending it all. When the net is in place, this part of the allure will vanish. Suffering a broken ankle and a concussion in the course of reaching a place where one could then hurl oneself into the SF Bay is not very alluring.
I am very thankful that the state of California is finally living up to its obligations and installing a suicide prevention barrier on the GG Bridge. It will definitely save a lot of lives.
For anyone still in the Dark Ages, still skeptical about the efficacy of suicide prevention barriers, here’s an article explaining why and how such barriers not only prevent suicides at the specific places where they are installed, but also reduce the overall rate of suicides in surrounding regions.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/23/suicide_prevention_study_barriers_like_the_one_planned_on_san_francisco.html
Jan Cotta looks like a candidate for suicide too, several things point to it but for some reason my hunch is that it wasn’t.
That was a weird coincidence about that baby being left on her friends doorstep. I’m pretty surprised it wasn’t hers. I always wondered if her baby’s father was married to someone else and that’s why she was so secretive about his identity. This case baffles me so much.
I have nothing to back this up, but I have always wondered if that baby was actually Jan’s. If the adoptive family was worried that Jan’s family would want to take the child, they could have presented their biological child or another child to provide DNA, just to be sure it wouldn’t match. Maybe far fetched but I agree, so strange that a baby appears on her friends doorstep right after she went missing.
I thought it was proven that child wasn’t. Although, maybe a more updated test would show? After all this time though……….I’d feel bad for whoever suffered for that can being opened.
That is the official ruling, that the baby was not hers because there was no match. I’m just not sure how they could be certain that the child they tested was actually the baby found on the doorstep. Like I said, nothing to suggest it wasn’t the right baby, but it’s just hard to believe how the baby appeared at her friends door right around her due date and it wasn’t hers.
Who ended up adopting the baby?
I agree, I just thought that at some point she had been ruled out as a mother or some such. My bad. Wonder where the investigation would go today if they knew where the child was.
Vincent, I don’t know who adopted the baby. Pretty sure I recall reading that the friend was not able to care for him and he was turned over to authorities.
I left Webslueths a long time ago but the thread for Jan Cottas case is interesting. Her niece responded once or twice regarding questions about her aunt’s disappearance and the baby. If you google “webslueths Jan Cotta baby” it will come up and is near the beginning of the thread. The police named an individual who is wanted for questioning as well.
For some reason I think Anna Joyce Allen walked away from the bar that night and committed suicide. It’s one of those “few details are available” cases. She disappeared after telling someone she’d be right back. Left her car in the parking lot with her purse and cigarettes inside. Never came back. It happened in St. Ignace, MI, which is on the southern tip of the Upper Peninsula surrounded on three sides by water, so perhaps she accidentally drowned. I suppose if she had committed suicide, her body would have been found. Unless she did it by going into the water.
Maybe it’s because her names are shared by people in my family, and I’ve spent some memorable times on the Upper Peninsula, her case stuck with me. I wish there was more information available about her.
I wonder if some ppl. didn’t have aneurisms or something, like Connie Royce is it? Just get up and walk away. Vincent, thanks for your posts, I thought they were insightful, just got back on here now. Wow, are we way way way OT or what now????……
Anna Joyce Allen.
Yes, but this lady may have done the same, circumstance wise….
http://charleyproject.org/cases/r/royse_connie.html
But if they perished from sudden, serious physical infirmities such as aneurysms, their bodies almostly certainly would have been found. People don’t typically conceal themselves when they feel sick or when they are about to have aneurysms.
As for Connie Royce, her case seems more like an abduction/murder than a suicide. She did not leave her car in the parking lot the way Anna Allen did. And someone reported seeing her, after she left the bar, in a situation that seemed coercive.
More information about the demeanors of these two women prior to walking outside would certainly be helpful. Had they been arguing with persons at the bars? Were they distraught? And what about the people they were with in the bars? Were they spurned courtiers? Were they ex-boyfriends?