Disappeared: Bobby Sine, missing 2 years.

This is a very sad story. He was obviously not in his right mind — hadn’t slept in four days, hadn’t eaten in longer — and yet they allowed him to refuse treatment. Bobby is a victim of “the system” as much as he is of his disease.

9 thoughts on “Disappeared: Bobby Sine, missing 2 years.

  1. NH March 2, 2014 / 6:45 pm

    Given that he was 18, even if he was not in his right mind, was that the reason that they allowed him to refuse treatment? Of course they should have known that he was not in his right mind – but that is somewhat subjective – and a person may present well for a short period of time.

    I feel sympathy for the mother. Thank god that my daughter was under age when we went through this.

    • Meaghan March 3, 2014 / 6:31 pm

      Insurance companies do not want to pay for inpatient treatment and will use any excuse not to do it. Generally if you are not suicidal or homicidal right this minute, even if you were five minutes ago, the insurance company will not authorize payment, and the hospital won’t admit you because they know they won’t get paid. And even if you are admitted to the hospital, you often get discharged before you are really ready.

      I know of a true case where a NINE-YEAR-OLD girl with a psychotic disorder made a particularly lethal attempt at suicide — her second in six weeks — and after she physically recovered (she was actually declared brain dead at one point) the insurance company refused to allow her to be admitted into the psychiatric ward and so she was sent home.

      • NH March 3, 2014 / 8:58 pm

        Agree. My then 16 year old made a second nearly successful suicide attempt days after being suddenly discharged from her first hospitalization because “insurance will not pay”. On the second round we insisted on longer term treatment and but we had to pay out pocket then argue not an option for all. In fact what the insurance companies pay for “emergency treatment” which is really a holding bin could provide many months of extended treatment and would be better allocated that way.

        In fact how many “homeless” and other people that fall through the cracks would be better off if the mental health system were fixed.

      • Meaghan March 4, 2014 / 3:06 pm

        I’m sorry this happened to your family and I hope your daughter is better now. In terms of mental health, insurance companies seem to be penny wise and pound foolish. If they agreed to pay for hospitalization until the mentally ill person had truly stabilized, this would decrease the risk that they would get hospitalized again and again and again, which would save money in the long run, but try telling them that!

        Fortunately my insurance company has never given me too many problems about paying for my mental health treatment. There was one time when, after four days in an out-of-network hospital, they said to either transfer me to a networked hospital (where it would cost less) or discharge me. The doctors gave me a choice and I said discharge, though in retrospect I really wasn’t ready and could have used two or three days more. I just wanted to get home and be able to use the internet and not have so many rules and restrictions. But that was my choice. Fortunately for me and for the insurance people, once in the hospital I tend to stabilize very quickly — the last time I was in the hospital, I was vastly improved in just three days. The downside is that when I have an episode I de-stabilize just as quickly.

  2. Andrea622 March 2, 2014 / 11:18 pm

    Gosh he looks a lot like my brother! He has had a lot of mental health issues, too. I worry about him every day as I know this family does for Bobby.

    • Meaghan March 4, 2014 / 3:19 pm

      I’m glad your brother has a family who can look out for him. I would be in a bad way without mine. In the psych ward the first time I was there I met a guy whose family didn’t want him. He would be homeless when he got out. I understood why — he was addicted to drugs and alcohol and was violent, in the psych ward for attacking his father and then threatening suicide — but it made me realize how fortunate I was to have a supportive family. It seemed unlikely that this guy would be able to make it without a home or any support.

  3. Keelie March 3, 2014 / 3:28 am

    I work in the medical field and these situations are just so sad to me. I know that asylums were just awful places, and I’m not saying anyone with mental health issues need to be locked up. I just wish that the courts had a little more leeway when they reach age 18. A lot of families are more than willing to take care of their adult children with these kind of problems, but the courts won’t help them unless things are very desperate.

    What I also see with adults with these type problems is that there are people who know when the person gets their SSI checks, etc. They befriend them for a few days, maybe help them party a little, and then disappear when the money is gone. My friend’s brother was lured to a solitary area and then murdered for his money, They are victimized again and again.

    • Meaghan March 4, 2014 / 3:13 pm

      Michael and I watch the TV show “Elementary” which is a modern-day version of Sherlock Holmes stories (with Dr. Watson being Miss Watson, played by Lucy Liu). A recent episode featured a woman who had lured three homeless men, all who had checks coming (one disabled, two veterans), into her basement and kept them prisoner. She was posing as a relative and cashing their checks and keeping them for herself.

      • NH March 9, 2014 / 12:37 am

        There are several cases on Charley where is may have happened. Most notablely the two most elderly listing. Although no formal Identification has come out in that case.

        Unfortuniatly there are people who prey on the unfirm, with either mental or physical problems.

        A friend of my mother 82 was duped out of $80,000 when she was ill. Unfortunately she passed and has no descendants to pursue this perp.

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