20 thoughts on “Okay, it looks like we have bodies

  1. Justin September 24, 2013 / 8:47 pm

    Man, we are on a roll this month for finding decades old remains in cars in lakes.

    • Jose September 24, 2013 / 9:20 pm

      this is number 7 for cases that I have followed to get resolved. I hope Vicki Hollar is found Inside her car rather than murdered by Ted Bundy. she did have a Beetle a car that bundy liked I wonder if it was her car and he remodeled it.

    • John B. September 28, 2013 / 6:00 pm

      Whenever I read about missing people (and their missing car), I always wonder if a body of water is hiding something.

      Last year, we had two teen boys disappear on their way to the beach. They were found, some 2 weeks later, where I-20 crosses the Wateree River.

      I was thinking they would be found in one of the ponds along a shortcut (near where their cell phone last pinged.) Based on the location of their wreck and the cell phone tower, I believe they did take the shortcut and wrecked almost immediately on the interstate.

      It’s amazing how unobservant we can be. Tens of thousands on cars drove passed them during the 2 weeks before they were found. No one saw the car, until someone searching for them noticed the tire marks and investigated.

      http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57541995-504083/jake-ziegler-ray-pierce-bodies-of-missing-n.c-teens-found-in-car-submerged-in-s.c-river-police-say/

  2. Crystal September 24, 2013 / 9:38 pm

    It’s just so wild that their weird classmate Lykken ended up being a murderer but he’s innocent (apparently) of this.

  3. Crystal September 24, 2013 / 9:47 pm

    Oops–Lykken is jailed for rape and kidnapping, not murder. Still weird, though!

  4. M86 September 24, 2013 / 11:33 pm

    I’m starting to think it may have been an accident too.
    The car is upside down in the creek, right beside a bridge on a gravel road. The boys that they were following said that they looked in their rearview mirror and they had just disappeared. The gravel pit that Cheryl, Pamella, and the boys were going to was only 1/2 mile away from where the car was found.

    I wonder at what point the boys looked in the rearview mirror for the girls, and if the creek/bridge area was searched, back in the 70s. You would think the police records would say, but who knows.

  5. Peter Henderson Jr. September 25, 2013 / 12:19 pm

    M86,

    No rivers or lakes were dragged and at the time officials said it was too dangerous to use divers. As far as the car being found on its hood, this creek seems to get extensive winter runoff in the spring. The car may have gone into the creek right side up or on it side and been turned over at some future date.

    It does sound like it was a accident. Maybe they lost sight of the boys car, felt they must have turned off, and inadvertently drove down a grave/dirt path leading to fishing spots along the creek. That has happened several times along the Housatonic river in my home town.

    My link to the girls case, including a photo of my 1960 Studebaker Lark, similar to the car the girls were driving that night.

  6. Cattt September 25, 2013 / 3:21 pm

    I saw it too! Wow! its so weird to read the stuff from Charley showing up on the news!

  7. marycarney September 26, 2013 / 2:20 am

    Eight missing persons’ cases (apparently) solved with TWO diving/ fishing expeditions! Unreal…

  8. whereaboutsstillunknown September 26, 2013 / 12:04 pm

    I’m curious to see if the hubcaps were located. I remember reading that hubcaps believed to be from their car were located on Lykken’s property…

    • Crystal September 26, 2013 / 12:26 pm

      In the first news reports it said that the identified the car by license plate and hubcaps.

    • Peter Henderson Jr. September 26, 2013 / 3:12 pm

      The Studebaker Corporation was located in South Bend, Indiana. But Larks were also built in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, from 1959 to 1966 by Studebaker of Canada Limited. It not that surprising that, parts, hubcaps, the car itself, would be found in South Dakota

      I am not saying Lykken is not a evil guy or even precluding the possibility he was involved but it does seem the police case was built in revere. The girls were long dismissed as runaways with little questions asked, at a time when law enforcement felt runaways were a family, not a police, problem.

      Suddenly they became abduction victims because Lykken, years later, is convicted of abduction and rape and his family lived in the general area the girls vanished from.

      To be honest the initial investigators listed the car as being a Studebaker Avanti. A much different personal luxury coupé built by the Studebaker Corporation between June 1962 and December 1963. Its still misidentified as such on NamUs, although they inexpiable call it a Lark also.

  9. Thinker Belle September 26, 2013 / 8:58 pm

    No. Point A to point B. The boys saw them. They were there, then they weren’t. The fad: goin’ to California with an achin’ in my heart…to write poetry? Pft!

    Laziness. No one cared.

    Then they pin it on a “serial killer.” Pft. Everyone knows serial killers like to be near water and water symbolizes sexual assaults. The “if we can’t find them blame it on witchcraft if there isn’t a trace of evidence or invent a serial killer who must take the blame for every murder and/or disappearance” theory.

    Perhaps the boys were leading the way, the road was gravel, they spun out of control like the wake behind a ski boat and went into the creek. Worst case scenario:a loose rock flew through the windshield (unprotected by film at that time) and hit the driver.

    Someone needs to analyze their kritical thankin’ skills!

    The suspiciousness even now is amazing! Must there be DNA evidence when they were found in the car in which they were last seen, there are two bodies (the same as was in the car at the time), and they are the road they were last seen on.

    Does anyone really think someone took the girls, crashed and flipped the car and then returned with corpses later to hide their crimes?

    Puhleeze!

    • Meaghan September 27, 2013 / 2:24 am

      Well, Ann Rule did write a book about a guy who (if I remember right) beat his wife to death, put her body in her SUV, drove it to a road right on a cliff’s edge in the middle of the night, and left it there hoping some car would come along and hit the SUV and they would believe the wife died in the crash.

      It was awfully clever of him but obviously it didn’t work.

      • Thinker Belle September 28, 2013 / 8:40 am

        You know Meaghan, I have noticed that are many references to books already in production as to allude to the fact that the “serial killer” actually ready one of these and re-enacted the “fictitious” crime.

        Even the Attorney General stated that the Iranian car bomb plot in which a Mexican informant turned the car salesman in sounded like a “B” movie. Was he hoping for something more elaborate in which he could be cast in a leadin g role?

    • Peter Henderson Jr. September 27, 2013 / 7:15 am

      LOL Thinker Belle

      “The fad: goin’ to California with an achin’ in my heart…to write poetry? Pft!” You left out “Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair.”

      But in truth Sherri had discussed going to California with her cousin Mary, they were even saving money for the trip. But that was going to take place after they graduated high school. The idea she would change her mind and decide to leave everything and everyone behind and take her gramps old Studebaker half way across the country is preposterous. But that was a idea that was tossed around as a real possibility.

      In my write-up on the girls I slightly paraphrased then cut and pasted a section of a archived news report on purpose.

      “Finally the possibility that they were abducted by hippies, drug dealers or other counter-culture types living in the Vermillion countryside back then was discussed.”

      You might as well say they met a bunch of Hare Krishna’s along the gravel road and decided to join. Stupid, but that was the mindset of many in law enforcement back then.

      The boys they were following said they knew were they were going but they only had a general idea. They missed the turn off to the gravel pit and had to go back. That tells me they were intently looking to their front and side and only occasionally looking in the rear view mirror. The girls were their one moment, then the boys looked back and they were gone. That does not surprise me at all. They most likely felt the girls decided to go home.

      FYI: The people in my town love old gravel and dirt roads. So much so they passed a scenic road ordinance protecting them. As a councilman I helped write it. But all of those roads have terrible sight lines. We got the traffic authority to set a special 15 mile per hour speed limit on them for just that reason. And you can’t see behind you more then 50 to 100 feet in any given location. At one of the most bucolic sections along river road we pulled a early 50’s car out of the Housatonic river during a scenic road clean up in ‘91. Unseen, it had been there since the flood of 1955.

      Not far away is the sight of New Milford’s most tragic missing person case. The abduction, gang rape and murder of 13-year-old Maryann Measles.

  10. Thinker Belle September 28, 2013 / 7:57 am

    That’s a horrible story about the Measles girl. Wow! Of course, a drug dealer was involved.

    Misinformation by the media to pin it on this one deviant in their class to build a “serial killer” case appears to be as much a crime, too. To bad her father went to his grave not knowing where his daughter was or what happened.

  11. Thinker Belle September 28, 2013 / 8:21 am

    The counter-culture was in the area at the time? Had they fled the larger cities?

    The difference between this find and the Measles girl is more symptomatic of today’s culture I think. Fear of being caught caused her death. Back then it would have been unlikely-in a farming community-that several would have undertaken such an event.

    Partying at a pit or somewhere outside the city limits would have been the norm. Today’s norm would be to stay cramped up and make all the neighbors miserable and try to get them to move so they could increase their partying territory. I often wonder why they want to do that instead of getting some fresh air.

    I see them in my area and wonder why they think they are so invincible. People believe they are? People are told to stand down, let them rule the roost or bad things will happen. Even the police won’t go after them because they fear for their family as well. One guy called it cowardice (I think the same), others hope they will move on.

    After reading about Measles, perhaps this is the reason.

    However, letting the media rule the roost is producing rotten eggs; blaming a convict for a possible traffic accident is beyond ridiculous. I’ve driven gravel roads and know first hand how easy it is to spin a vehicle around. If that car didn’t have power steering, it would have been even easier, especially for a female driver.

  12. Peter Henderson Jr. October 18, 2013 / 3:05 pm

    Update; ‘Testing of car linked to missing Vermillion, S.D., girls points away from foul play’

    “ELK POINT, S.D. | A 1960 Studebaker believed linked to two Vermillion girls who went missing in 1971 was in high gear when it was retrieved from a Union county creek last month, an indication that foul play may not have been involved, a state official said Thursday.’

    Source:

    The Sioux City Journal
    http://siouxcityjournal.com/…/testing-of-car-linked-to-missing-vermillion…girls/a

  13. Peter Henderson Jr. October 18, 2013 / 3:52 pm

    Thinker Belle. For some reason I missed your follow up, getting old I guess.

    Some, certainly far from all, of the so-called hippie counter-culture believers had moved to new-age, rural, live off the land retreats by then. So the local LE speculation is warranted.

    FYI Maryann was gang raped and murdered for the most basic of reasons, self-interest/protection, on the part of the five men. Jealously/ wild pack mentality, on the part of the three women.

    A link to my post. “Just 13th, barely a teen. The long ago story of Maryann Measles, a hometown girl.”

    “… the state police billboard read. Reward for information about her disappearance is
    Available.”

    “For months it was a sign I saw daily on my way to work. Everyone said Maryann probably ran away, was living with some guy; that was until a blanket washed up on the shore of a man made lake fed by a local river. A young Caucasian female had been found by some fishermen, name unknown.”

    “…Years later we would learn that those who disposed of Maryann that way told others who saw them dropping the blanket in the river, that, “ they were getting rid of a old mangy dog that died.”

    If interested full post

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