What do you think?

I’ve been working with Pri, the Upgrade Guy. He’s created a form I can use to put cases in. He’s still tinkering with it but the basic product is pretty much shaped out. Under the new system, the cases should look sort of like this. (The LE contact and sources are at the bottom, but you can’t see them cause I couldn’t take a picture of the whole page.)

What do y’all think so far?

21 thoughts on “What do you think?

  1. wendy August 13, 2010 / 1:05 pm

    I like the old format better, but then I don’t really like change

    • Pri August 14, 2010 / 1:05 am

      I’ve seen a lot of replies that people like the old format of the Case Display pages better. The beauty of the new site is that it can look like anything you want, including the old site. The output pages are completely editable too match any design while the date still remains dynamic.

      The current image that Meaghan has linked to is honestly a sample page I had done up to show Meaghan how the whole application/website would work as she’s entering in cases. It certainly doesn’t have to be the final design and I have plans to discuss this and more with Meaghan as things progress.

  2. Kat August 13, 2010 / 3:47 pm

    Dunno. I don’t think I like it…makes my eyes skip around too much…let me look again. But you go with what you like, Meaghan, it is your site and if it makes your life easier we will all get used to it!

  3. CarlK90245 August 13, 2010 / 4:33 pm

    I suppose that this is going to do away with all of your pages being separate html files in directories. I have hyperlinks to all of your pages, and many DoeNet, NAMPN, and NamUs pages that aren’t in Charley (nearly 11,000 cases in total) all listed on an excel spreadsheet and indexed.

    If your site is going to be set up like a database with all of the raw data in a table that will feed into to a data-access form, that will render the spreadsheet useless.

    But if it makes your site more searchable and easier for everyone else to access your cases, and make your job easier, so be it.

    • CarlK90245 August 13, 2010 / 4:43 pm

      Will this make the site searchable by an age range, height range, weight range, ethnicity, etc.?

      I notice that in your example, the height is presented in text form – For example, “5’8″ – 5’9”, rather than two separate fields for minimum height and maximum height (which would have to be stated in inches, but would be searchable).

      If height and weight ranges are shown as a text string, they won’t be searchable.

    • Pri August 14, 2010 / 1:17 am

      Hi CarlK90245,

      The new site will in fact not use the named/directory style HTML pages that are currently in use. It will be a single page as you had assumed that has a changing ID to query and display the missing person’s information from the database. Unfortunately the old links may not work anymore though that’s not to say that Meaghan couldn’t leave them up in addition to the new pages. Whether or not she will want to manage a database of cases as well as update HTML pages is up to her.

      The upside is that the new site will be database driven which could be far more useful in the long run. The data is flexible, in a structured format and some where down the line could probably be available through an XSD/XML style format for easy extensibility. Though this is entirely Meaghan’s choice.

      The search you mentioned is actually quite possible. You will be able to search by age, height, weight, ethnicity, etc. The page you’re viewing is just a aesthetic representation of underlying data. The format of that data doesn’t necessarily mirror what you see. So 5’8 and 5’9 or even 68 inches and 69 inches stored in the database in different fields can display as “5’8 – 5’9” while remaining completely search-able. You can even search the string should you choose to store it that way as any string is just characters that can be parsed.

  4. Kat August 13, 2010 / 6:40 pm

    Good God Carl, why aren’t you helping Meaghan with the organizing lol. I have no idea what you just said, but it sounds like you know exactly what is going on.

  5. Wendy August 13, 2010 / 6:45 pm

    Hmmm. I’m not sure I care for it. The print looks tiny to me, and I agree with Kat that it seems to make me have to jump all over the page. The previous format just flows nicer, I think, almost like reading a story.

    Then again, I’m like the first wendy (which wasn’t me), I am not big on change. Once it’s implemented I would get used to it.

    Thanks for all your hard work, Meaghan!

  6. Candice August 13, 2010 / 7:37 pm

    Hmm. Not sure. I agree with everyone here. It jumps around instead of the ‘old’ format. Then again I hate change. Ha… go with whatever you want. I’ll get used to it 🙂

  7. Katja August 13, 2010 / 7:48 pm

    I second that if possible, you should try to keep the same file names for your files… I don’t mind the format all that much, but the colors are really drab. I think it’s helpful to have the “whole set” of statistics in one place – that way, it’s easier to tell if some information isn’t there. I also think that if you have any links for the case, they should be either under the “details of case” or under the two boxes together. Also, people often don’t click further down, so I would also have all pictures of the person together, whether at the top, or if you have additional images at the bottom (though with kids, I think it really is helpful to have the original picture and the age-progression pictures together)

  8. Pri August 14, 2010 / 1:01 am

    Hello all! I’m the Upgrade Guy as Meaghan as mentioned. The majority of the ‘upgrade’ part is behind the scenes of Charley Project for Meaghan to case entry and maintenance. The beauty of the application I’m developing is that Meaghan will never have to create a case page ever again, or update a chronological or alphabetical list, or even provide lists at all.

    The new site will do all of that for her automatically as she enters in cases. There are also new search features planned to allow you to create your own lists based on search criteria.

    I’ll try to post here in response to some of your comments and questions to help get everyone the best Charley Project possible. If you have any questions for me please feel free to ask.

    • CarlK90245 August 14, 2010 / 2:42 am

      If we are discussing a specific case on a discussion thread, or sending an e-mail to a Law Enforcement agency, will we be able to post links that point to a single casefile?

      • Pri August 14, 2010 / 5:26 am

        Yes, there will be a URL that you can link back to for every case. The format will be something similar to:

        charleyproject.org/cases/case_display.php?id=xxxxxxx

        Where the ‘x’ would be some unique numerical ID.

  9. Jennie {in Wonderland} August 14, 2010 / 1:50 am

    I like the old site. Not that the new one isn’t very functional. But I prefer the old way of reading things like a story, rather than jumping all over the page.

    Sometimes, improvement takes time to adjust to, and this is certainly a great way of doing the cases, but your old way seems superior to me!

  10. Nicole August 14, 2010 / 1:12 pm

    I like it much better, but appear to be the minority. About “jumping around” I just read left to right so it doesn’t make any difference to me…
    I like I would not have to keep scrolling back up to see the picture etc, on the old (current) site, I have to keep scrolling up to see the pics, I like being able to read and see the pics at the same time. That would also be helpful to those trying to find matching cases for doe’s etc….

    • Pri August 14, 2010 / 3:17 pm

      Thanks for all the feedback, and not just Nicole’s. As I said above, this was just a quick sample page that I came up with to show Meaghan how a display page MIGHT look. I already have plans to make some minor improvements based on feedback. Hopefully reduce the “jumping around” as well.

  11. Wendy August 14, 2010 / 1:33 pm

    Pri, I like your ideas and enthusiasm for this! Thank you for all your hard work on this.

    • Pri August 14, 2010 / 3:22 pm

      Hi Wendy,

      Thank you. It’s my pleasure, really.

      I’m grateful that Meaghan gave a stranger like me the opportunity to help her out with something that is obviously important to her. My goal is to make her day-to-day website tasks easier so she can get more done in less time and focus on what’s really important: the missing people.

  12. marycarney August 14, 2010 / 8:55 pm

    Whatever help you give is appreciated. What I would like to see (and I’m a tech moron, so just tell me if I’m barking up the wrong tree) is not only how old they were when they disappeared, but how old the missing person would be NOW. I mean, if a 17 year old girl disappeared 20 years ago, we should be looking for a 37 year old woman today. (Doing the math from birthdates is a little much for me at 3am, when I’m typically looking at Charley!!)

    • Pri August 15, 2010 / 4:52 pm

      Hi marycarney,

      The age calculation is coming soon. I’ve recently made some changes to the way that DOB/Age Range is tracked and I haven’t done the logic for it to show up just yet but this will definitely be included in the final product.

      Thanks for the feedback.

  13. Amy White August 26, 2010 / 4:13 am

    The old style is far better. I am a serious “reader” and it’s a joy to read the mini-stories of your cases.The new format looks like any other missing person site. It’s not an enjoyable read at all.

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