Amber Dubois found dead

The Los Angeles Times says Amber Dubois’s skeletal remains were found in a remote area in northern San Diego County. She had been missing for a little over a year. CNN has a little more info. The cops aren’t saying whether John Gardner, who was arrested a few days ago for the murder of another San Diego area teen, Chelsea King. Even if Gardner wasn’t involved, it seems it was Chelsea King’s murder that prompted the cops to begin searching anew for Amber.

Another article I found about John Gardner has a quote from a lawyer that says just what I’ve thought for quite some time: We have to trim the list of that 60,000 [California sex offenders] down to a number of truly dangerous people and then intensively supervise them. Somebody who downloads a pornographic image from the Internet is very different from somebody who beats up and savages somebody during the course of a rape. Megan’s Law treats them the same.

As for Amber, I had figured her case would end up like this. My guess is that she was kidnapped and then killed shortly after she disappeared. She was fourteen years old.

33 thoughts on “Amber Dubois found dead

  1. Emily March 8, 2010 / 2:13 am

    I was just reading an article about Chelsea the other day that quoted Amber’s dad. He said he’d come to every court appearance Gardner made, even if they only related to Chelsea, because he felt it possible their cases were related. It seems awfully coincidental that Amber’s body was found so soon after Gardner was arraigned – I wonder if, as you imply, he gave up the location of her body in exchange for some favors.

    • Meaghan March 8, 2010 / 2:52 am

      Not necessarily that he gave up her body — just that his arrest caused someone to come forward with more information, or maybe just that the cops decided that in light of Chelsea’s murder, they’d better show some effort in this high profile missing girl case.

  2. Kat March 8, 2010 / 2:36 am

    She is a relative by marriage to me. Pray for my family. I find it odd they found her so quick after CK, that guy must have given something up….what a waste, what a damn shame. At least she is found and can be put to rest. I was begging on sites for info, I am glad she is found but I wonder how many others now……….

    • danielle March 8, 2010 / 7:43 am

      who is a relative by marriage? Chelsea or Amber?
      Chelsea’s dad went to my high school…so I heard through facebook. FVHS

  3. Kat March 8, 2010 / 3:11 am

    Maybe. I guess we will see, if that is the case I hope there are more found…….I don’t even know what to say now, trying to figure out how to call my inlaws and all….I bet by the end of the day there are going to be more.

  4. donna March 8, 2010 / 5:26 am

    Kat, my deepest Sympathy to all that loved her. My first thought on reading that she had been finally found was that the cretan who killed Chelsea King confessed to Police about her location. It’s too much of a coincidence, to me anyway. There is no “Intense Supervision” that will protect all children from all Pedophiles. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings one bit to see Pedophiles Executed after the first conviction. I’m not talking about the Teenagers fooling around in the back seat. Predators will never stop the hunt for victims. I’d rather my Tax dollars be invested to help people than pay for a Scumbags three hots and a cot for the next 50 years!

    • danielle March 8, 2010 / 7:42 am

      You are so right….teen agers, say an 18 year old boy and 16 year old, ….. but real monster like predators….no second chance. Execute immediately!

  5. danielle March 8, 2010 / 7:40 am

    Amber’s mom said there was a theory that Amber had been abducted for prostitution/sex slave. In a strange way, that was a hope just so she wouldn’t be dead.
    What is so sad, is I don’t feel so carefree anymore. I mean, just the other day, I saw a boy, about 12 years old, walking alone on a sidewalk. My first thought, was….”how could someone just kidnap him.” Sad to think that first.
    I know the odds and most kids are fine and safe, but since we only hear about the worst cases, that’s what we think about. I’m really worried about our future. Am I naive to think things can change?

    As a society, we should Not give the predators psych evals, second chances, and all the “rights” when they are deviant beings…
    I’m feeling kind of scared b/c Amber and her parents did everything they are supposed to. Broad daylight, cell phone, communication, good kid, proper parenting…..what more??

  6. Kat March 8, 2010 / 12:47 pm

    Amber is related to my West Coast family. And yes, they did everything right parenting wise and otherwise. She was a great kid with a bright future. As was Chelsea. This is all so sad. It terrifies me for my son. Even more trying is I think this guy may have just hit the tip of the iceberg….I am still wondering how many more there may be. Before anyone nails me for the innocent till proven guilty, yes, I believe in that, but I also believe there is something going on with this guy. He does have a record.

  7. Kat March 8, 2010 / 12:47 pm

    PS, thank you Donna for the condolences.

  8. Kelly March 8, 2010 / 5:05 pm

    ABCnews.com says that Gardner hasn’t given up any info, but someone who was afraid to before has come forward in light of the arrest of Gardner.

    • danielle March 9, 2010 / 3:31 am

      aahhh…well I don’t blame this person for being afraid. He had attacked a 13 year old girl who escaped. Nancy Grace is not saying alleged so he must have been convicted for that case.

      On her show, professionals say, predators have done about 5 or so attackes before being caught. SCARY!! I can’t watch the news tonight…too sad

  9. Kat March 8, 2010 / 5:15 pm

    Good. Does not matter as long as all the victims are found. I’m moving on to stage two now, which is, fry the guy. I’m so angry right now I could just smack the crap out of him myself. Him, them, whatever. Why is it some “scared” person always knows? It just makes me sad for humanity as a whole, this total “save myself, who cares about anyone else” crap.

  10. danielle March 8, 2010 / 6:25 pm

    Gardner has a 13 year old survivor who ran out of a house/or where ever he took her, naked (one shoe one) beaten and got help!! Yeah!!

    Police/profilers are saying the girls, Chelsea and Amber, look similar in size, blond, petite.
    I still can’t get over these girls were taken in broad day light!! Doing everything right..

    ….apparently at the park Chelsea was running at had NO warnings of a previous attempted abduction so the community is not happy.
    They say if there had been falling rock or other dangers runners would be warned, but Chelsea and other runners had no warnings of a creepy guy….

    God…what are we gonna do with our children???

    • Meaghan March 8, 2010 / 6:29 pm

      Amber had brown hair. She wasn’t small, either. 5’5, and somewhere between 125 and 140 pounds. I don’t know about Chelsea’s size.

  11. Kevin March 8, 2010 / 7:08 pm

    Escondido is very rugged terrain. My guess is that this creep probably gave up some info on where to find Amber as they did search extensively when she first went missing a year ago and then the case just got dropped.

    They need to give a long hard look at where this guy has been living or has been over the last 10 yrs at least. Hopefully a lot of cases can come to a conclusion.

    • danielle March 10, 2010 / 12:02 am

      meaning other states with missing girls about the same age when he lived there?? Probably true…
      I wonder, how does a guy look at a teen girl and WANT to rape and kill her. How does that mind work???

      …..the good thing is there are so many experienced cops with good technology to find the evidence needed for this creep to be in jail for life

  12. jaime March 8, 2010 / 10:27 pm

    A mother came forward saying in may 2009 her children found a bag that they believed had human hair in it. The supposed location according to the paper article gives the impression that the site where the bag was located is not far from where Amber’s remains were recovered. The mother according to the article did not come forward until now because she believed that the bag was not relevant to the search for Amber.
    I guess the rumors that circulated right after Amber Dubois disappeared that she could be a runaway helped cause Chelsea’s death because maybe they would have picked up dna from Amber’s remains…but we will never know. Oh and apparently John Gardner’s name didn’t come up in the search for Amber because his sex offender address was some 55 miles

    • danielle March 9, 2010 / 3:33 am

      mom may have been in denial and (mom) had said she was thinking Amber may have been kidnapped for prostitution ring. Ugh…
      We can’t blame the mom for anything, although I know you are not blaming her, but she could have provided help.

      ….what’s going on in usa????

  13. jaime March 8, 2010 / 10:29 pm

    away and he was really living at his mother’s house for awhile, but of course California parole officers weren’t checking up throughly on him either. Like the phil garrido guy.

  14. danielle March 9, 2010 / 3:34 am

    should we get rid of non violent drug offenders and/or shoplifters/bad check writing to make room for these monsters??

  15. danielle March 9, 2010 / 3:35 am

    “rid” I mean out of jail….who should we worry about the most?

  16. Kevin March 9, 2010 / 4:05 pm

    A DUI arrest gets a more severe penalty than a child molester gets.

    • Meaghan March 9, 2010 / 5:12 pm

      That is indeed true. I heard about a man who got like 40 years in prison for DUI (It was, admittedly, his seventh offese.) Im all in factor of throwing the boo kf drunk drivers — I have no respect or sympathy for them — but very few child molesters get that much time no matter how many offeses they’ve commited.

  17. Becky March 10, 2010 / 10:38 pm

    I agree a distinction must be made between a sexual offender (porn download, pees in public, etc.) and a truly dangerous sexual predator. But I strongly disagree with the “intensively supervise” part. They should never be released. If we want to spend $ ‘intensively supervising’ them it can be while they are in prison awaiting their swift execution.

  18. Paris March 11, 2010 / 5:09 pm

    I live in the County where both Amber and Chelsea lived. San Diego County, California borders the country of Mexico. Escondido is only a 30 minute drive to the border. We have an advocacy group that travels to Mexico, locates American children who are “working in the sex trade industry” and provides them a means to get back home. The thought of Amber being taken for the sex trade industry is a very real possibility.

    When looking for missing children, it is best to encompass ALL the possibilities, to lessen would be restricting possible avenues of finding the child.

    Amber was found in Pala, where there is an Indian Reservation. The piece of land in which she was found is, apparently, a popular “dumping ground” because of it’s remote, yet easy to access, location. In the past 20 years, more than 4 bodies have been found/recovered there.

    Chelsea was jogging in a popular area, Lake Hodges. A beautiful area. There was a warning, in a way, as a jogger had been attacked there recently. That person was a female jogger from Colorado. Somewhere in this time-line of Chelsea/Amber events, the girl was shown a photo of the man suspected in Chelsea’s case – she positively identified him as her attacker.

    Personally, I am the mother of three recovered children. All alive. Since my experience, I have been studying the subject of evil. Predators are more prevalent than you would want to believe. The statement that an average pedophile commits 5 crimes before he is caught…that is in line with what I’ve been studying. There are habits and patterns that are found in the “profile” of a pedophile. It is considered, in general, that they can not be “rehabilitated”.

    I continue to think about my dog being microchipped. At one time, I wanted to microchip my children, but we are prohibited from doing so. Do we care more about our dogs than our children? It’s considered a “privacy” issue. A “Big Brother” issue. Ok, I can accept that – can we microchip our convicted pedophiles?

    The profiles of the pedophiles in the public search is very vague and quite broad. “Lewd and Lascivious act against a minor.” That is not a precise definition of what occurred. He pulled down his pants? He molested a child? What age range is his target?

    The “tip” on Amber right after Chelsea was recovered – as another person posted earlier, it could be someone who was familiar with the specifics, someone other than the suspect in Chelsea’s case. Why would someone be afraid to go forward? Simple: that person may be the only or one of the only “confidant” that the guilty person has OR that person is a victim themselves (being held against their own will, is a kidnapped victim, is an abused spouse). There are other reasons, but the reason is possibly because the person who gave the tip is very close to the guilty party. It could even be a relative of the guilty party.

    I hope this provides you more insight and answers. Continue to stay alert. Take your proper safety measures with yourself and your family. Keep current “good” photos of your kids (keep a 6 month appointment schedule with the Walmart Studio, for example). Be completely noisy about your children’s affairs. Read their email, look over their shoulder, have your computers networked with a screen capture software on their computer, invite your children’s friends to come to your home for dinner and parties. Note date/time on a notebook when you see a child that is walking alone. Make sure the GPS is turned on, on your cellphone and provide someone direct access to that feature (contact your cellphone provider for more info).

    Get involved. Follow your instincts. I once followed mine and drove 1 block out of my way to see a 2 year old child walking toward the railroad tracks. He was just up to the rock border when I scooped him up. He managed to get out of his apartment, walk down a flight of stairs and squeeze through the protective fence. No one even knew he was missing when I found him.

    Take the time to look at the missing children photos. My children were found because of those posters.

    • Meaghan March 12, 2010 / 5:28 am

      Microchipping children wouldn’t help find them; it would only help identify them if and when they are found.

  19. Paris March 12, 2010 / 5:12 pm

    NCMEC had asked me to get dental records ready for my missing daughter. Her dentist went out of business (retired). I couldn’t locate him or her records. That’s when I thought about micro-chipping her or getting her ID records bonded to her wisdom tooth. This way, I would know (assuming the worst and the best).

  20. Bee March 28, 2010 / 6:26 am

    I’m so sick of this crap. sick of sick a holes killing children

  21. Christian March 29, 2010 / 3:00 am

    Does it surprise anyone that that the Amber Dubois disappearance case (Escondido, CA) has no one in custody for the crime and the Chelsea King case (Rancho Bernardo, CA) has a convicted sex offender awaiting trial. Could it be where they happened to die or that the one family is poor and the other affluent. Is anyone surprised that the Amber Dubois family, knowing the history of the Escondido Police went and hired a private investigator who passed along information as to where the body was ultimately found. We all remember the Stephanie Crowe Murder Case where the Escondido Police Department falsely accused her brother Michael Crowe and forced confessions (as a 01/15/2010, Michael Crowe, won a case against Escondido PD). Could it be that the criminal is a member of the Escondido Police Department and all of them are protecting their own (like the Catholic Church) and that’s why they originally said she was a runaway to deflect additional searches. Could it be that the police are just following “Escondido City Council“ (Gang of Three – Marie Waldron, Sam Abed and Ed Gallo)orders to chase around un-document workers and not do their job of protecting and serving the residents of Escondido. It kind of makes you wonder if the “Gang of three” has ask the police to formally or informally investigate potential or future political opponents, it makes you wonder doesn’t it. Of course it could be that Escondido Police Department is filled with incompetent dullards who love taking steroids in their attempts to look like their body builder heroes. The only thing I can say for sure is there is something wrong here.

  22. Paris Romero March 29, 2010 / 4:45 pm

    Actually, something is right here. Amber was categorized as a runaway, but NCMEC listed her as Missing. NCMEC has more experience than EPD in cases of missing children. The difference has to do with the circumstances of the disappearance. Chelsea had a pattern that was disrupted. It was clear that Chelsea was NOT a runaway, thus she was listed as missing. Amber’s circumstances and dynamics were different. While I don’t agree with any child being categorized as a runaway, I have a personal understanding why this happens. Trust me, it’s a burr under my saddle.

    Amber was found 6 days after Chelsea. That is not a coincidence, but “the powers to be” have “something” – they were told exactly where Amber could be found. The area that Amber was found is an area where other bodies have been found (rural, yet easy to get to). It is obvious that Chelsea’s discovery flushed Amber’s out – whether it be a plea bargain with Chelsea’s “suspect” or someone who knew (but wasn’t directly involved, for example) coughed it up. EPD is remaining mute on this, which to us (in San Diego County) means that they are building a case.

    EPD has been under high criticism, no doubt. … I’m not going to speculate on the “Gang of Three” …having the FBI involved in Amber’s case would take care of that.

    In general though, the focus with the PD is with any PD and a missing child – to get them to quit viewing missing children as “runaways” (dismissing them, not searching for them)…in fact, most runaways DO return home within 72 hours…that is a part of their way of prioritizing the kids…however, within 72 hours anyone can have a child out of state or out of the country – those 72 hours are the most critical in “recovery”.

    A missing child is A MISSING CHILD. They all should have the same priority – High.

    There is an effort, PD by PD, to turn the “opinion” of the officers from dismissing the children as runaways and treating them as “endangered”, which is a true reflection of who they are. As they are on the streets, they have to depend upon others for food and shelter. Predators are patrolling the streets looking for these kids. I won’t go into the horrors that they experience here. For a true story, research children who have escaped their captors. There was one in San Diego County who showed up at a gym wearing more chains than clothes. I don’t recall how long he had been missing, but I remember a good part of his childhood was spent as a captive.

    The PI was an outside effort – many families hire Private Investigators. If you felt your child was not getting the proper attention, and you had the money, you would probably hire one as well. You want to create some sort of a safe environment for the criminal and his friends/family to go to. Somewhere that they can feel they won’t be handcuffed for trying to help. Perhaps that is the case here.

    We don’t have a sense that EPD is involved in a conspiracy, or if the criminal is one of their own. That can always be the case, as criminals live right next door to all of us. Whom ever told EPD where to find Amber knew exactly where she was, this gives great confidence in any future arrest.

    I do know that silence on PD’s part sometimes means the activity is heightened, not missing. The silence is sometimes due to “them” knowing and having enough information for PD to be sure, but in order to get a strong conviction and to retain the criminal in the system, a strong case of evidence must be mounted. They need to close every loophole, follow proper procedures, to make sure that they don’t allow a good defense attorney the one tiny omission that gets their client off.

    Bear in mind that in the U.S., you can not be tried for the same case twice. In order for you to try to get a criminal back in court for the same case, you must prove substantial new evidence. Once he is out of the courtroom, it is much more difficult to get him back in.

    From my experience, the silence means that THEY GOT HIM. They need silence and time to bring forth all evidence, to dot all the i’s and cross all the t’s. They got him and they don’t want him to have an inch to squirm free. It’s only a matter of time before the rest of us find out what happened to Amber.

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